Contact info
Mom's phone number in SNF: 707-579-6982
SNF health care center: 707-579-6982
Kris Hermanson, Administrator: 707-579-6954
Renee Hayward, rhayward@jtm-esc.org, 707-579-6971
Sela Nissenbaum, snissenbaum@jtm-esc.org
Dr Antenucci, Kaiser: 707-393-4168
Dr Antenucci, fax: 707-393-4234
Spring Lake Village:
5555 Montgomery Drive
Santa Rosa, Ca
707-538-8400
Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Phone conversation with Renee (SNF Activities Director), Mon 6/9/2014
I need to write this stuff down, call occurred while I was in the car
Friday, June 6, 2014
Conversation with Kris Hermanson 6/6/2014 around 3pm
Notes from my call with Kris
Hermanson – for Andrew & Christine; Kris, feel free to correct.
Notes on conversation 6/6/14
MOM WAS ADMITTED TO SNF!!
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We’re seeing issues
increase, getting dressed is now a problem
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Has been gradual,
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Had a long talk,
always had a terrible sense of direction
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Gets lost on campus,
needs to get redirected a lot, sometimes doesn’t recognize her surroundings
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Sometimes presents
very clearly sometimes gets lost
Preliminary : very good
candidate for memory.
How did transition go?
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Better than you
would think
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She wasn’t happy,
explained that campus was too big for her right now
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But she’s not being
hysterical, she has friends here
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We also have about 4
residents here who will be going to memory assist
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She will have her
own apt, much smaller, more of a studio – larger is more confusing
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Right now AL is too
big for her. She did well for a while but it’s getting much worse
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Doesn’t seem to be
fighting the roommate issue
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Doing the transition
very easy, getting her acclimated, not going to close AL at this point
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We will be having
care conference in a couple of weeks
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Convenience vs SNF,
KH: she will be a risk to herself and those around her
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Because of the
elopement, because of the need to keep her safe
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When memory assist
is available, then functional assessment. SNF is a stopgap.
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Many residents use
SNF as stopgap
My reaction – seems like a
strong response to the elopement
KH: I did my homework
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There’s been a lot
of concern about mom being lost
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It’s not the one
incident, that was the icing on the cake
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Now she needs the
caregivers, because she’s impulsive
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It’s really not
strong handed, it’s the only alternative we have
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She has friends and
has familiarity
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Will blossom in
there hopefully
Memory Assist unit: Supposed to
be mid-august, realistically September 1
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Hold an assisted
living unit, not sure
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Have proper care
conference
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If it looks like
she’s acclimating, can start a level of care change
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SNF is used as a
stopgap, not unusual
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Probably in a couple
of weeks, and then Rene Hayward will call to set up (director of social
services)
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Mom in conference
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We can talk after
that about a level of care move.
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We can work with you
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Level of care is
assisted living if she is in memory assist
Mom’s phone number 707 537 4277.
Call with Dr Antenucci, 6/6/2014 around 230pm
Dr Antenucci, call 6/6/2014
I saw your mom Wed 6/4, because had gotten a call about
being on the highway.
Saw her, had long talk, she was crying a bit, saying she
didn’t realize getting old would be so bad.
Overall, the problem comes down to:
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Understands that she’s having more grouble
taking care of yourself
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Hard with subtle losses in her faculties
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Getting lost for instance, difficulty
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Mini mental status exam – 20/30.
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Everyone loses dates, but didn’t know year,
day. Didn’t have recall.
Part of test is 3 commands, take paper, fold in half, put on
floor – that’s a key.
Most get that, Mom didn’t, has problems with acute retention
of information.
After seeing that, and being back and forth with her,
definitely seeing the decline
That’s why I’m agreeing with placement.
She does not need skilled nursing, but needs constant
supervision.
Based on these issues, she will make good decisions most of
the time.
But someone needs to be there to keep an eye on that.
Rick - Expressed my concerns
Dr A:
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Would be great if she was in a situation with
care
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There are no other needs causing her to be
locked down
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We wouldn’t want her to get lost, get hit by
car, etc.
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Agrees that it’s better to have a safe
environment w/o skilled care
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Needs someone to help her make the best
decisions
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Might be the easiest thing to do is to lock them
down in SNF
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Other than monitoring no acute issues
Thursday, June 5, 2014
My email June 2: Bruni Dulaney, 6/2/2014
From: Rick Dulaney
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 2:38 PM
To: Sela Nissenbaum (snissenbaum@jtm-esc.org); Kris Hermanson (khermanson@jtm-esc.org)
Cc: Andrew Dulaney (andrewdulaney@comcast.net); Christine Dulaney (ckdulaney@gmail.com)
Subject: Bruni Dulaney, 6/2/2014
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 2:38 PM
To: Sela Nissenbaum (snissenbaum@jtm-esc.org); Kris Hermanson (khermanson@jtm-esc.org)
Cc: Andrew Dulaney (andrewdulaney@comcast.net); Christine Dulaney (ckdulaney@gmail.com)
Subject: Bruni Dulaney, 6/2/2014
Good morning,
I’m writing regarding my mother, Bruni Dulaney. There was
some discussion on Saturday about moving my mom to the skilled nursing
facility, although I couldn't tell if that was considered as a permanent move
or not. That conversation was based on what Sela saw as an “elopement”
and my mother saw otherwise, after my mom left the square dance on Friday
night.
I have some questions and some thoughts. I’ve copied Kris
Hermanson based on my conversation with Sela; hopefully that’s correct, since
my notes weren’t perfect. I’ve also copied my brother Andrew and my wife
Christine.
First, having spent some time in SNF at SLV and other places, I do
not believe my mother belongs in SNF. She does not need skilled nursing,
since her main needs are help managing her medications and help with daily
activities, which she gets in assisted living. Although the SLV SNF unit
is the nicest I’ve ever seen, moving to SNF would clearly be a negative factor
in her quality of life. My mother also does not want to move to
SNF. What she may need is more oversight of her comings and goings.
Second, it seems to me that requiring 24-hour caregivers is a very
strong response. She spends most of the day in the "L" unit and
takes many of her meals there. Having a person shadowing her even while
she's sleeping or watching TV seems like overkill. My mother has been in
the "L" unit for five or six months, and has had this one
episode. Sela mentioned that my mother sometimes gets disoriented on shorter
trips around the campus, but she still takes herself to visit people in SNF and
to the main dining facilities and bistro areas. Those activities are very
important to her quality of life, and my experience of her is that she
"trains" well.
Third, there may be options other than 24-hour caregivers.
Is there a procedure for checking in and out of the "L" unit?
When the building first opened, there was a sign-out book, but it was
kind of out of the way and I don't know if was a rule or an idea – but it seems
like there should be clear procedures for the conditions when she leaves and
some expectation of where she is and when she'll be back. If those exist
now, please let me know and I can reinforce them with my mom. Another
item is that the first building she moved into ("K") had a counter
next to the door so that SLV staff knew when people were coming or going.
This seems like a worthwhile thing to have in this situation.
In general, my mom's health condition seems to be complex.
One the one hand, when I speak with her, she is generally very lucid and
able to describe her recent experiences very well. This was the case on
Saturday. Other times she has trouble with things like locating her
glasses/checkbook/purse/remote control/etc. My mom often seems very
irritated about day-to-day issues, but she also interacts positively with other
residents, according to Sela. I receive periodic updates from Sela in
which it seems that my mom is often angry and confused. In general, it does
seem that my mother fixates on things that she can no longer do, and things she
feels she is prevented from doing, and generally sees the glass half empty.
When I described one of my recent conversations with my mother to
a friend, he pointed out that these were classic symptoms of depression and she
should possibly be evaluated for that. I had an email exchange with Sela
about that a few weeks ago, and I do feel that should be part of the way
forward.
When Beth and Sela first proposed moving my mom to assisted
living, there was an idea that she could be appropriate for a memory management
building. I think Sela said that this unit is now scheduled to open in
August, although it sounds like the construction has lasted a lot longer than
anyone expected and this schedule also might slip. I'd be happy to
discuss whether my mom is appropriate for such a unit.
When I spoke with Beth a couple of months ago, she was going to
request and send me a copy of my mother's lifecare agreement. That seemed
easier than trying to find my mom's copy. I haven't gotten that yet, and
understand that Beth just left, so perhaps someone else could help me there.
I feel somewhat uninformed about lifecare and her coverage. If I
need to contact someone else about that, please let me know who.
I believe we are all on the same page about moving her health
insurance from Kaiser to SLV. Although I'm not exactly sure yet what’s
involved there, I’ll reach out to Kaiser for advice and forms.
With regard to 24-hour caregivers, my mom cannot afford that
really at any level. My mom asked me to take over her finances in 2013, and
it's been a bit of a struggle. She has an extremely small income from
social security, and is spending down her remaining assets. At current
levels, she should be OK for a few more years. But if caregivers are say
$20/hour, that's $480 per day or $14-15,000 per month -- at that rate, she'll
be out of money in weeks or months. So we'll need to discuss and resolve
that before she incurs additional caregiving costs.
I look for your guidance on how to go forward. A couple of
specific items are that I will contact Kaiser about changing insurance
coverage, and I would appreciate from SLV a copy of my mother’s
agreement. Beyond that, however, I would like to have an approach in place
that maintains her quality of life, that balances the oversight necessary for
her safety, and that addresses her possible depression.
I’m always available by email, or on my cell (301-250-0698).
You may also text my cell, which is sometimes more useful if I’m in a situation
where I can’t take a call.
Even though this situation and conversations are stressful, I
would like to acknowledge again, as I have in conversation with Sela and
others, how much I appreciate the SLV staff and community.
Thanks, Rick
Fri May 30: Mom "elopement"
I received a call Sat May 31: my mother had "eloped" the previous night. Sela was very upset, as was my Mom. After multiple hours on the phone, here's what I know:
- Mom went for customary after-dinner walk
- Saw friends at a square dance event being held in the new spa building
- Visited with them for a while
- When leaving, took the wrong exit, got confused by the construction
- Wound up walking along Montgomery Drive, where she was escorted back to L building by SLV employee
Sela reported that she felt my mom needed 24-hour caregivers to keep her from eloping again and should consider move to SNF.
From Sela May 3, 2014: Behavioral changes
Hi Rick,
I know it’s been a while but I wanted to let you know what
has been happening. Health wise your mom is fine. We arranged for an
appointment with Dr. Antenucci as part of our wellness check and her BP med,
Atenolol was discontinued because she was not feeling well on it. It is
becoming more difficult for her to go to Kaiser with caregivers. She is very
vocal and resentful and cannot understand how “we can all be against her when
she is capable of going by herself.” We just stand our ground and gently
explain the department’s need for safety.
As you know Mr. Segal is now a permanent resident in our
skilled nursing unit which has very much upset your mom’s routine and also
saddens her very much. I’m attributing her increased confusion and paranoia (
nurses and staff are all against her) to this event. Her apartment if left
unattended by our staff, looks like her independent apt before she moved in. We
are not allowed to move a thing or else she starts to yell at us. We try very
hard not to be confrontational but just going about our day to day routine is
perceived as we are (against her) and she becomes extremely agitated.
My staff really likes Bruni very much and tries to
diffuse the situation but it is sometimes better to just let it go. I
don’t think that there is any medication that will change this behavior it is
just a progression of her cognitive decline. She still manages to take care of
her personal needs and has a steady gait when she walks. She was visiting
Bob in Skilled Nursing almost everyday, which I felt gave her a purpose but she
no longer does that.
My comments are in no way are ulterior but just
informational as an update. Feel free to call or email at any time.
Thanks, Sela
Lots to update:
- in Nov 2013, Spring Lake Village felt my Mom could not handle herself independently, she needs to move to Assisted Living.
- Moved to K building (K-102) into an apartment she did not like
- I moved everything else into storage and gave away some stuff
- Then in Jan 2014 she moved into L-204, lovely 1BR overlooking the chapel
- Mom definitely unhappy with all details of her life, but in a good place overall
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